If only Jesus had told us specifically the timing of the rapture we wouldn’t have so much squabbling among Christians today over whether it’s Pre-Trib, Post-Trib or Pre-Wrath Rapture! Ah, dear reader, but He has told us, quite simply and plainly. Yes, His own words proves there’s no pre-trib rapture — only pre-trib teachers have taught us to disregard His words!
Jim Caviezel portraying Jesus in the Passion of the Christ movie
This is not hyperbole, this is the truth.
Matthew 24 is so critical to understand the events leading to His return, in that pop over to this web-site Jesus lays out the Last Days timeline and pinpoints the rapture as happening after the Great Tribulation! Pre-tribbers insist that the rapture occurs before the Great Tribulation. Most people who read Matthew 24, and in fact the entirety of the Bible, without the help of pre-trib teachers, never come away believing in the pre-trib theory. You have to be indoctrinated with it and the scriptures have to be manipulated to arrive at that conclusion.
This chapter is VERY IMPORTANT to fully understand. A lot of dirt has been cast on Jesus’ own words to promote a pre-trib rapture. Let’s take a look now at His own words without any commentary!
Jesus Gives Us the Timing for the Rapture
Please read the entirety of Jesus’ famous why so many lyers on dating sites Olivet Prophecy in Matthew 24 for yourself. Follow His methodical, step-by-step progression of the events that occur during the Last Seven Years before His second coming. Below we cite only the pertinent scriptures leading up to the post-tribulation Rapture of the Saints.
http://ez-cubes.com/3707-dte60455-dating-in-south-florida.html Matthew 24
(3) And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
(4) And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
(9) Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
(21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
(22) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
(29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
(30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
(31) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Question:
- Does Jesus say in verses 29-31 that the rapture occurs before or after the Great Tribulation?
Congratulations! You’ve rightly understood scripture and you now know more about the end times than 75% of Christians.
We cannot understate the importance of Jesus’ words here. They contradict all pre-trib theology! By no means should anyone casually gloss over this fundamentally important point made by our Lord and Savior.
Jesus defines the rapture, but it’s after the Great Tribulation.
Pre-Tribbers Dispute Jesus’ Words
Jesus’ words are actually so clear and simple in Matthew 24 that pre-tribbers have to scramble to denounce His words. And they throw a couple of smokescreens. The first one is that there must be two raptures then! Okay, time for another quiz. Answer these questions:
- Does Jesus say there are two raptures (please read the whole chapter for yourself)?
- And, do you see two raptures in this chapter?
You’re right again! Jesus makes no mention of two raptures in His most comprehensive overview of the last days recorded in the gospels. If the pre-trib theory is correct, why did Jesus overlook such a fundamental point in the pre-trib teaching? Answer: because the pre-trib theory is false theology.
Another way they dismiss Jesus’ words is by saying, “oh, He’s not talking to the disciples who asked Him about His second coming, He’s talking to the Jews!”
Well, that’s a stretch. The Jews are not waiting for, nor interested in, His second coming at all. Nor did the Jews ask Him about His return — the disciples did!
Bonus questions for bonus points:
- Does Jesus give any indication that this teaching of His second coming is for the Jews only?
- Does the word Jew appear at all in this chapter?
Congratulations! You’ve rightly understood scripture and you now know more about the end times than most Christian pastors and teachers.
Plus, for those insisting that Jesus is only talking to the Jews, they are advised to go the Olivet Prophecy as recorded in both Mark and Luke, neither author of which is labeled as preaching to the Jews!
Yet, pre-tribbers are so insistent in believing their pre-trib theory that they will offer still another objection. They will insist that the elect that is raised up in this post-tribulation rapture are NOT Spirit-filled Christians — but Jews (I know, that’s a head-scratcher!).
Pre-tribbers may console themselves into thinking that the elect Jesus refers to here are the Jews, but may the following scriptures bring them an awakening to the truth.
Who are the ELECT?
To be clear, the Old Testament does call Physical Israel the “elect,” but nowhere in the New Testament does God call them that. Every time in the New Testament wherever the word elect is used it is always talking about Spirit-filled Christians — period.
Let’s recap the scriptures where Jesus refers to the elect in the Olivet Prophecy, and then show concrete evidence that the elect is the church!
Matt 24:21-22 Jesus says this: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved (alive): but for the ELECT’S sake those days shall be shortened.
PLEASE NOTICE — The elect are still on the earth at the time of the Great Tribulation and God so desires to rescue the elect that He shortens the time-frame of the Great Tribulation in order to save them.
So whoever these elect are, God values them as gold!
What else to we find out about the elect in Matthew 24?
Matt 24:29-31 Immediately after the tribulation of those days … shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven … and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
The elect is raptured after the Great Tribulation!
So now that we understand that the elect are raptured, let’s have the New Testament define the elect for us!
- And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? (Luke 18:7)
- Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering (Col 3:12)
- Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness (Tit 1:1)
- Peter writes his epistle to the “Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied” (1 Pet 1:2).
AND THIS LAST ONE is the clincher. When the New Testament compares physical Israel with the Church, the Church is called the election!
- What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded (Rom 11:7).
This election definitely rejects Physical Israel as the elect, and, when compared with the above scriptures, refers to those the Lord has called and filled with His Spirit — whether Jew or Gentile!
So will we accept Jesus’ words when He tells us the timing of the Rapture? Will we believe what He says over teachers manipulating His words? Can we begin to receive the truth of the scriptures and reject the pre-trib liner notes put in the bible by man?
We hope you do and we pray that our eyes be opened to His glorious truth!
[Please listen to the video above where Lou Comunale lays out the timeline for Christ’s return and the rapture during his appearance with Jake Grant on the NYSTV program.]
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2 Comments
Samuels
I have been a pre-wrath rapture believe since 1986. I have some questions I do not see you address in this article.
1. Were in the Scripture do you see that the chip “has to be or will be the mark of the beast.”?
What John saw and described could be buying with finger prints (every person who uses a Iphone now with a finger print is assigned a number. Apple daid it I did not. A number in the “forehead” could be the same number in the mind just like your SSN? The devil is not dumb enough to tell everyone for 50 years what his mark will be…LOL. He is a deceiver and that is a deception.
2. I do not see the last 3 Fall Feast of the LORD which are a pattern of HIS second coming as the Spring Feast were HIS first to the fay and the hour mentioned or will fit into this timeline. The first 4 last 50 days. The last three 22? Days…they can not be moved or sperated for diffrent doctrines.
3. You only mention Jews left on earth after the wrath of GOD? The scriptures say ALL NATIONS? These will not be raptured Saints though but Jew and Gentile who are left who see Him as the Messiah at His return. EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM. Most will be destoryed. Remaining Israel will be saved in one day and with the other nations left go into the mil regin.
I am not looking for a debate as we both believe 98% the same thing. I just want your opinion on those question that can be backed by scripture?
Lou Comunale
Thanks Samuels for your thoughtful comments. The article was not supposed to be a wide-ranging summary of everything associated with the return of Christ. I have written a book that details more of what you’re asking.
This article was simply meant to focus on one aspect of Christ’s return — the fact that Jesus says He’s returning after the Great Tribulation. But, let’s respond to each of your questions.
1. I am certainly open to other forms of devices, besides a chip, to be the mark of the beast. You’re right, technology moves so fast it’s hard to keep up. But if it wasn’t a chip I feel that it would still have to involve changing one’s DNA that would prevent someone who takes the mark from receiving salvation.
2. I do believe that the Holy Feast Days of the Lord have served as a guideline for Christ and the early church. And, of course, the Fall Holy Days may have relevance to Christ’s return. In my book, I tried to set up the trunk of the tree, from which we can add various branches, one of which would be the Holy Days. I’m sure God will reveal more as we get closer to the time.
I do know that God cuts short the Great Tribulation and no one knows the day or the hour of that time. Will the time cut short fall on the Feast of Trumpets, for instance? I’m open to thoughts and God’s revelation. But I DO know that the Lord will reveal more about the last days, especially since He’s teaching many to reject the pre-trib theory which totally messes up the true Biblical timeline of the last days.
3. I don’t know where I’ve only mentioned Jews on earth after the wrath of God. Of course, all nations will be represented. I have spoken specifically about the 144,000 of the Tribes of Israel in my book as coming through the wrath of God. But that’s only because God specifically mentions them as being sealed and protected so that He can have a representation of Israel at the beginning of the Millennium. But, of course, peoples from other nations will scramble from the rubble and be a part of the Kingdom of God on earth. There are many references in scripture that suggest how God will deal with various nations: “and if Egypt come not up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles, they shall have no rain” (Zech 14:18).
Hope that helps somewhat. Thanks for your interest and be blessed in all you do for the Lord.